• August 26, 2014 at 8:19 am #64463
    Tom Ham
    Participant

    ASE Threatened by Terrorism?

    Sounds silly, right? And it probably is – at least where I come from.

    So one has to wonder if having the testing done at certain test centers is the best idea. ASE certification is not mandatory – it has to be “sold” not unlike selling preventive maintenance to a customer. The customer is volunteering to spend his or her time, money, and effort for something.

    What do you think would happen to preventive maintenance sales at your shop if the customer was required to partially remove clothing, remove pretty much anything that is not clothing and have a wand run all over their body?

    As time goes on, ASE test numbers will suffer. For some it’s no big deal. For others, it’s over the line. Reasonable security that is proportional to the “threat” can be achieved in a far more customer friendly manner. Treating all test takers as potential criminals or terrorists is ridiculous – at least where I come from. 

    ASE – you need to find a better way. 

    Tom - Shop Owner since 1978

    September 2, 2014 at 1:48 am #73693
    svenb
    Member

    It’s the wave of the future, Tom.  Cameras on cell phones, mobile internet access, etc.  The test proctor cannot monitor every test-taker closely enough to ensure that test questions are not getting copied and distributed or answered via internet access.  If test questions are getting leaked, then new questions would need to be written for every test–making test costs higher and higher–and in the meantime allowing some less honest test takers to pass when maybe they should not have.

    December 30, 2014 at 10:53 pm #73834
    tomking
    Participant

    I have to agree with Tom, as when you were in school if you cheated the one that got hurt was the person cheating eventually it will catch up to you. I would have to imagine that in an industry like ours that there have to be plenty of questions to be asked and if ASE is afraid of the questions being stolen then I don’t think they want to work too hard at deciding what questions to put on a test they just want to cruise through with the same questions over and over. I also think that it is just wrong that they don’t tell you which questions you missed, again when you were in school they always told you which ones you missed and that is what you studied on, also if you’re working on a vehicle and you get stuck for answers do you just sit there or do you go looking for answers ( Alldata, Identifix etc. ) and why would you ask questions that the answer is ” most right “. Sorry if this turned into a rant but over the years I have had too many Techs that had plenty of ASEs and didn’t know a open end wrench from a box end. I think testing is a good idea but ASEs way isn’t working.

    Has anyone ever gotten an answer to a question sent to ASEs website I send them often and never recive an answer, is anyone really working there ??

    January 5, 2015 at 5:28 pm #73839
    Tom Piippo
    Participant

     I think testing is a good idea but ASEs way isn’t working.

    I have always thought that anyone who was willing to take the time and spend their own money to take an ASE test is worth taking a second look at. As with any new hire, if things don’t look good during the ‘honeymoon period’ cut ’em loose and keep looking. Until someone comes up with a technician licensing procedure akin that of getting a commercial drivers license, the measure of skill level will always be subjective, and will be directly related to how much sleep the tech got the night before. (I don’t know about other states, but Michigan requires both written and performance exams for a drivers license, new drivers also get a probation period with limited functionality.)

    I have worked with the folks at ASE and no, they will not respond to questions about particular test questions, however the questions will be looked into to see if your comment has any merit. If you really need an answer just give them a phone call. Great effort is put into the task list from which the test questions are formed. New questions are inserted into tests but not scored, just to see how it ‘fits’ and to test it’s validity among test takers. Lets face it, if 80% of the techs taking the test get the question wrong, but score highly on the rest of the test, maybe it’s a bad question. It could be one of those questions that you were responding to.

    After seeing all the work and professionalism that ASE puts into their craft, I cannot fault them for wanting to protect their intellectual property. I really don’t think it’s a big thing to under go a little security scrutiny to be sure they keep the bar high. If you don’t like metal detectors and video surveillance, stay away from Wal-Mart, Banks, Libraries, Schools, Hospitals, Casinos… Lets face it, its now a way of life.

    Tom Piippo

    Tri-County Motors 

    January 5, 2015 at 10:09 pm #73842
    tomking
    Participant

    Now I think even less of ASE, all technitions that take tests are turned into guinea pigs we agonize over the questions and come to find out not all questions are counted, they could at least tell you what questions are ” test ” questions but o yea I forgot then they would be giving away their intellectual property.

    March 14, 2015 at 10:47 pm #73971

    ASE is a joke .I havent worked on cars in 20 years and passed all 5 a few years ago. And i know some great techs who have tried and studied and cant pass . Not to say a l1 or l2 is not a plus but the system needs to change. 

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